British Truckers Abroad

I applied for work and got the following E mail back,.Unfortunately, the economic conditions in Canada are slow to improve and recovery may take a longer period of time. In regards to new truck drivers it is very difficult to get a Labour Market Opinion from Service Canada and Citizenship and Immigration Canada for qualified foreign truck drivers living outside of Canada. Unemployment numbers continue to rise in Canada which makes it difficult hiring outside of Canada

Maybe by next year conditions might improve, please contact me at the end of April 2010 for an update, Thank you.

Thats a shame, i was hopeing for a start i heard good reports of bulk carriers

PMSL... from whom ?????

Not sure who the email came from, but as far as I am aware, Bulk Carriers is still hiring Foreign Workers.

I just got of the phone with a client, who has had dealings with both Bulk and Seafood and both are on their black list of carriers not to use. Apparently both are being sued also by drivers from europe to boot. So now you know.

Graham perhaps it would be better to expand on your first point, I blacklisted companies when i was a Fleet Manager for many different reasons, I understand your loyalty to your client but I don't think it wise to make such a statement without the facts to back it up, perhaps it would have been better to say nothing as you give no reasons why they are blacklisted. Also if they have a list its not unreasonable to assume they are also blacklisting other transport company's, you don't seem to have mentioned that though, do you have a personal issue with Bulk & Seafood?

Second, "Apparently both are being sued by drivers from Europe" I can't comment on Seafood, however as I have previously stated there are no issues at Bulk, unlike you, I have had the full explaination on the situation, and for confidentiality reasons will not be drawn into discussion on this matter, except to say your comments above are unfounded and vague to say the least in reply to the points raised. And have given another negative view on said companies. If we are to help these people in making an informed judgement should we not tell them the truth and not the "what we believe to be true cos we heard it from someone else" scenario?

To the OP and the other guys, Don't give up, keep asking your questions, keep sending your applications, keep doing your research, your time will come, good luck.

You can say what you like but the company was charged http://www.cbc.ca/canada/prince-edward- ... s-584.html

So now we know thats great news isn't it everything is so black and white, really guys i was talking to a bloke who knows a girl who's mother went out with someone who worked at bulk 20 years ago and i was told something totally different.If you are interested im sure if you called up Bulk you may get the truth but then again could it be that simple, surely not.

yeah of course you will get the truth, Jack will sit and discuss on the phone with some stranger all about his recent court case lmfao

I didnt get the reason why they are black listed ,just that they are.

Interesting! So is this a national, regional blacklist or just a few companies in an area that run like a sort of cartel Graham .

Anyway back to the top Re:No drivers wanted here as far as i am aware Bulk are still after a couple more drivers and all i can say if you are uncertain give the guys a call im sure they would be open and up front, then make your own mind up unfortunately what happens a company gets a bit of bad press and every man and his dog jumps on board.

Strangely enough, I was advised a few months ago to contact the big H&R customers such as Cargills and was assured that it would get them blacklisted if they appeared to be treating workers unfairly. I never bothered, but I wonder if they are already blacklisted in certain places, or just not 'licensed' to go there.

I didnt get the reason why they are black listed ,just that they are.[/quote]
Interesting! So is this a national, regional blacklist or just a few companies in an area that run like a sort of cartel Graham .[/quote]

I think its an Inter galactic ban

Mickfly, you are full of it, why were you treated unfairly ? Not many miles ?
Well, they can't give out loads they haven't got can they ?
The previous 2 years were quiet Jan/Feb and picked up in March but with the recession this year it didn't pick up till June and we've been flat out since which you'd know if you didn't leave.
You'll be blaming the recession on H&R next.

"Well, they can't give out loads they haven't got can they ?"

You do not employ people if you don't have the work (miles) promised in the contract to give to them, unless they are willing to sit around unpaid, until it picks up!

"... didn't pick up till June and we've been flat out since"

Not enough drivers...they either didn't turn up, or cleared off as their bank balances started to dissapear.

H&R rely on 'dollar millionaires' arriving in Lethbridge, and not realising that their declining bank balance will not be going up whilst working at the company, unless they are willing to give up their dignity and 'suck it up'.

Why do some people at H&R do so much to stick up for a COMPANY, who are there simply to make a profit AT ANY COST?

Why is it that people who move into office positions practically always swallow the company line and become undignified lap dogs to their masters, and who's 'friends' are only their to take their job or pick up the juicier scraps that get dropped near them?
What a bunch of sycophantic arseholes can be found near the begging bowl, eh?

Why not speak to other Canadian drivers (we did) who get paid detention pay after 2 hours waiting on a load, or layover pay WITH NO ARGUMENTS, and whose dispatchers and managers don't talk to them like kids, or retards!

There are many other transport companies in Alberta and Canada who are better than H&R and treat people right, along with providing enough work for them, but if people leave H&R , for whatever reason, the company machine gets in motion to make out they are losers...I'd say they are sensible, and protecting their, and their families own interests, which in my day, ALWAYS came before a bloody companies.

BTW: I also blame H&R for the recession and climate change, as well as being racist against Europeans.

hi fellows this is still a bulk blog is it or is it turned into an h&r blog again??
i just want to say a couple of things here canadian company,s work different than europeen company,s for sure the bigger company,s they all kept on hiring drivers canadians and europeens result of that is that the drivers who are already there are gonna see a cut back in mile,s / income and they al think it,s pretty normal when i was driving for midland we recieved a couple message,s on satelite that it was al normal and how proud they where about the sacrafice we made yeah wright but the boy,s with the suit,s still had there big paycheck they didn,t turned in a part of there savings acount nor cut back on there cristmas bonus
i don,t believe that there is a blacklist here because if that was the case i,ll bet u 99% of all company,s would be on there bulk carrier,s isn,t any worse or better than any other company in canada maritime,s or out west i left midland for bison based out of calgary and it wasn,t any better same old song , they just tread u like the scum of the earth plain simple i know 2 fellow,s at h%r and 1 like,s it and the other came back from a run recieved the message that his truck had to go in the shop and when he came back the gave him a one way ticket back to europe his plane took of 2hrs later !!!! reasson he complained to mutch about lak off mile,s and they are all like that, forget about the black list if it exist it doesn,t change a damned thing !!!!!!!!

Please keep this thread "on track". H&R related posts to be posted under, well "H&R".

English Trucker, I agree 100% but whatever is posted on whatever part of this site Mick manages to turn it round to H&R.

Then you should have ignored my comment about blacklists and I wouldn't have answered you!

Dave there is no deniying the fact that charges were brought against the Company, but after 3 months does it not seem a little strange to you that no further information has been "reported"?

Surely if it were that serious the authorities would have acted on it by now, storm + teacup me thinks.

Another bored journalist looking to get a name for himself or herself, (have to be P.C correct now)

The shooting of a skunk got more press coverage than this issue, kind of sums it up don't you think.

No I don't think it does sum it up Steve, if I was moving to the other side of the world and I discovered that the president and company that I was going working for had been in court charged under Canadas immigration and refugee protection act then I would take a long hard look at the situation and find something else before I gave up everything.
The fact it wasn't reported afterwards doesn't mean much to me it is the fact there was enough evidence to take it to court in the first place.
No smoke without fire

Explain the statement above "they are all like that" because a blanket statement like that is utter trash. They are not all like that, in fact any decent company will fight to keep its drivers. The Bison drivers at Winnipeg are treated fairly and paid well, no lack of miles.
I get treated very well, no lack of miles, in fact most of the drivers I know around here have no problems with miles or the companies they work for, but they have all moved on from the big recruiters from Europe

well ok that ,s great for u dave , and maybe i wrote it down wrong by saying they are all like that , but most of them are like that don,t know for how long u work for bisson , i worked 1 year for them (out of calgary) and the money wasn,t bad but the bs was the same
sitting unpaid ,layovers somme unpaid and others paid ,ect , look there are great company,s out there who understand what u left behind and that u have to built a new life in canada , but the thing is most of them don,t care and all well u can come to canada and have the best intentions but as soon as something go,s wrong and u have to change company what ever the reasson is u have to be lucky to find a good company and 95%chance u won,t simply because we don,t have the knowledge we grab a over the road magezine, or somthing else and look at all those big ad , and boom that,s where it go,s wrong those company,s are not the best one,s same for recruiters who have to go to europe to recruit same story , and at bisson atleast u can make a living that,s for sure
i have seen paycheck,s for 223 cad and that,s for 2 weeks ( not at bisson) a fellow i know has 1 0,29 canadian cent for 2 weeks reasson breaking down , and now at pressent time for those still in europe stay where u are and sit it out , one,s it pick,s up than make the move , i for one would never go back simpley because today is it busy so u make a living and they treat u good ,but next week it,s slow so u don,t make money and they treat u like sh#t , look how can they expect me to work for free , they want top dollar for everything they do , well only the sun come,s up for free these day,s so i want to get payed to period only when i am home they don,t have to pay me but on the road sitting or driving i want pay , i am not home so i am on the job so i want to get payed , simpel and if u stand up for yourself than u will have problems at midland bisson h,r bulk ect ect

look maybe i am to negative about al this , but i have seen it everytime again and still there are people who don,t believe any of this , i got a lot off respect for the guys who move over there and give there best to make it work , and a lot of guy,s one thisforum moved from one company to an other believing they finally found the company who treats them good and where they can make a good living , but time and time again after a while they move on , because it isn,t all that great anymore, name,s like midland ,h&r,bisson, big freight ect pas the headline,s to mutch , that,s not good even if half is treu of the story it,s still bad my advice go to the company,s ouside the headline,s like rem ,sullivans , fillmore trucking, terra nova , milltown trucking i am pretty covinced that those company,s with around 30 to 40 trucks are the company,s that traet u good , a buddy of me runs for milltown trucking , where he finally found what he was looking for , he,s a dutch guy and like,s it verry mutch , they treat him fair and they are honest , he drove for 5 different company,s all the same story, he was on the point where he thought about paking his bag,s and go back home , now he,s a happy chap (beside,s it,s slow this moment)

to dave is marcel keys still working at the safety department in winnipeg (bisson)